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		<title>By: Unbiased</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewpatrick.ca/skepticism-and-beliefs/how-chiropractic-kills/comment-page-1#comment-73371</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbiased</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Medicine is scientifically based, whereas chiropractic is not supported by a single legitimate scientific study.&quot;

Oh really.  Then how do you explain http://www.drug-education.info/documents/iatrogenic.pdf

This was written by an MD and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.  It found that about 106,000 deaths per year were from nonerror, adverse effects of medications.  But this was only in hospitals.  

So if &quot;medicine&quot; (by which you must mean medicine that is administered by medical doctors) is so scientific, then why are over 100,000 people dying from nonerror, adverse effects?  

And for the lucky ones who do not die from adverse effects, we have &quot;116 million extra physician visits, 77 million extra prescriptions, 17 million emergency department visits, 8 million hospitalizations, 3 million long-term admissions, 199,000 additional deaths, and $77 billion in extra costs.&quot; 

If chiropractic is so dangerous, why are MDs malpractice insurance premiums so high while chiropractors is so cheap?

I can&#039;t find the studies, but I have read that the probability of having a stroke from an adjustment is between 1 and 500,000 and 1 in a million.  Given those odds, I would rather see a chiropractor for my aches and pains than a MD who is just going to prescribe me some drugs and send me on my way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Medicine is scientifically based, whereas chiropractic is not supported by a single legitimate scientific study.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh really.  Then how do you explain <a href="http://www.drug-education.info/documents/iatrogenic.pdf">http://www.drug-education.info/documents/iatrogenic.pdf</a></p>
<p>This was written by an MD and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.  It found that about 106,000 deaths per year were from nonerror, adverse effects of medications.  But this was only in hospitals.  </p>
<p>So if &#8220;medicine&#8221; (by which you must mean medicine that is administered by medical doctors) is so scientific, then why are over 100,000 people dying from nonerror, adverse effects?  </p>
<p>And for the lucky ones who do not die from adverse effects, we have &#8220;116 million extra physician visits, 77 million extra prescriptions, 17 million emergency department visits, 8 million hospitalizations, 3 million long-term admissions, 199,000 additional deaths, and $77 billion in extra costs.&#8221; </p>
<p>If chiropractic is so dangerous, why are MDs malpractice insurance premiums so high while chiropractors is so cheap?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find the studies, but I have read that the probability of having a stroke from an adjustment is between 1 and 500,000 and 1 in a million.  Given those odds, I would rather see a chiropractor for my aches and pains than a MD who is just going to prescribe me some drugs and send me on my way.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodE</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoodE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for more info on the matter see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11805635
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16226631
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6491549

all point to manipulation being part of a multifactorial problem, not a specific cause. Adding weight to my mechanical cause argument from the last post. It&#039;s simply rotation of the cervical spine! not chiropractic that causes this. 

however, rotation of the head in daily movements and activities of daily living is unlikely to be given as a cause, more likely a spontaeous occurrence. Whereas a chiropractic treatment is more likely to be reported as a precipitating event, whether the stroke would have happened from normal movements or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for more info on the matter see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11805635">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11805635</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16226631">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16226631</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6491549">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6491549</a></p>
<p>all point to manipulation being part of a multifactorial problem, not a specific cause. Adding weight to my mechanical cause argument from the last post. It&#8217;s simply rotation of the cervical spine! not chiropractic that causes this. </p>
<p>however, rotation of the head in daily movements and activities of daily living is unlikely to be given as a cause, more likely a spontaeous occurrence. Whereas a chiropractic treatment is more likely to be reported as a precipitating event, whether the stroke would have happened from normal movements or not!</p>
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		<title>By: GoodE</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoodE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do a quick search on the cochrane review or pub med on spinal manipulative therapy. i think you&#039;ll find it has a great deal of scientific backing for a wide number of musculoskeletal issues, the risk of a vertebral basilar artery insult from a chiropractic treatment is unlikely to be higher than from turning your head to reverse your car, or even getting your hair washed in a hairdressers (using a hair wash basin) the factor which causes the rupture is just rotation of the head, not specifically chiropractic treatment, and even then only in succeptible individuals with poor arteriovascular health.

Also +1 to DDan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do a quick search on the cochrane review or pub med on spinal manipulative therapy. i think you&#8217;ll find it has a great deal of scientific backing for a wide number of musculoskeletal issues, the risk of a vertebral basilar artery insult from a chiropractic treatment is unlikely to be higher than from turning your head to reverse your car, or even getting your hair washed in a hairdressers (using a hair wash basin) the factor which causes the rupture is just rotation of the head, not specifically chiropractic treatment, and even then only in succeptible individuals with poor arteriovascular health.</p>
<p>Also +1 to DDan</p>
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		<title>By: Sam &#124; Freelance Web Designer Birmingham</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewpatrick.ca/skepticism-and-beliefs/how-chiropractic-kills/comment-page-1#comment-65052</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam &#124; Freelance Web Designer Birmingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea that this was such a serious issue. I&#039;ve been having back problems myself as of late, and have considered seeing a chiro - this has certainly made me think twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea that this was such a serious issue. I&#8217;ve been having back problems myself as of late, and have considered seeing a chiro &#8211; this has certainly made me think twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please all you Chiros trying to defend a practice that has no basis in anything other than in your minds, sublexation is a theory never proven to do anything, placebo effect is as high as 60%, you could hit ur victims in the head with a bag o crap and cure them.  If you wanted to be a real health care provider should have went to MD school, but I bet you tired that.  I have never met a person that stated they wanted to grow up and be a chiro and I have never heard of anyone not being admitted to chiro schools.  On top of that, when you look at chiro bios, most are hacks that went to little know colleges and might have graduated, then after boucing around at various jobs decided on chiro school or should i say &#039;learn how to bill medicare/caid school&#039;. Chiros stick to your fring pseudo science and sleep in the bed u made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please all you Chiros trying to defend a practice that has no basis in anything other than in your minds, sublexation is a theory never proven to do anything, placebo effect is as high as 60%, you could hit ur victims in the head with a bag o crap and cure them.  If you wanted to be a real health care provider should have went to MD school, but I bet you tired that.  I have never met a person that stated they wanted to grow up and be a chiro and I have never heard of anyone not being admitted to chiro schools.  On top of that, when you look at chiro bios, most are hacks that went to little know colleges and might have graduated, then after boucing around at various jobs decided on chiro school or should i say &#8216;learn how to bill medicare/caid school&#8217;. Chiros stick to your fring pseudo science and sleep in the bed u made.</p>
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		<title>By: DDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, in order to balance out this article, where are the:
&quot;How drugs kill&quot;
&quot;How Western doctors kill&quot;
&quot;How electo-shock therapy maims&quot;
&quot;How babies are legally drugged with FDA Class II drugs&quot;
,etc. articles?
(US FDA Class II drugs include heroin, cocaine, etc..)

Where are the numbers of each to prove which one is more dangerous?  And if medicine were really scientifically based, why are there unusual side-effects and unknown reactions to so many of them?

You could go along with the ex-head of the US CDA and take your mercury-filled H1N1 vaccine, knowing that mercury is one of the most poisonous substances on earth (remember the mercury-in-tuna debacle?) and knowing that the same aforementioned ex-head of the US CDA is now working as a highly paid executive for the company that makes the H1N1 vaccine.  Go ahead, take your vaccine, it&#039;s scientific...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, in order to balance out this article, where are the:<br />
&#8220;How drugs kill&#8221;<br />
&#8220;How Western doctors kill&#8221;<br />
&#8220;How electo-shock therapy maims&#8221;<br />
&#8220;How babies are legally drugged with FDA Class II drugs&#8221;<br />
,etc. articles?<br />
(US FDA Class II drugs include heroin, cocaine, etc..)</p>
<p>Where are the numbers of each to prove which one is more dangerous?  And if medicine were really scientifically based, why are there unusual side-effects and unknown reactions to so many of them?</p>
<p>You could go along with the ex-head of the US CDA and take your mercury-filled H1N1 vaccine, knowing that mercury is one of the most poisonous substances on earth (remember the mercury-in-tuna debacle?) and knowing that the same aforementioned ex-head of the US CDA is now working as a highly paid executive for the company that makes the H1N1 vaccine.  Go ahead, take your vaccine, it&#8217;s scientific&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rockford chiropractor</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewpatrick.ca/skepticism-and-beliefs/how-chiropractic-kills/comment-page-1#comment-40425</link>
		<dc:creator>rockford chiropractor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know that chiropractic treatments are very fatal if it not performed correctly. Chiropractor deals with our backbone, Backbone is very sensitive one wrong move can kill you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know that chiropractic treatments are very fatal if it not performed correctly. Chiropractor deals with our backbone, Backbone is very sensitive one wrong move can kill you.</p>
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		<title>By: wendell</title>
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		<dc:creator>wendell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spinal manipulation has been used for thousands of years around the world to try and fix health problems. The modern version was developed by Daniel D Palmer in the nineteenth century and called chiropractic from the Greek words for doing and hand (praktikos and cheiro).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spinal manipulation has been used for thousands of years around the world to try and fix health problems. The modern version was developed by Daniel D Palmer in the nineteenth century and called chiropractic from the Greek words for doing and hand (praktikos and cheiro).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Patrick » How Chiropractic Kills &#124; mychiropracticblog</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewpatrick.ca/skepticism-and-beliefs/how-chiropractic-kills/comment-page-1#comment-39136</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Patrick » How Chiropractic Kills &#124; mychiropracticblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See original here:  Andrew Patrick » How Chiropractic Kills [...]</description>
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